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05-12-2025, 01:41 PM
Rinoa_353
Reshuffle NA worlds to help Dynamis grow
As most people here know, Dynamis suffers from having the lowest population and doing content is difficult without traveling to other data centers. One solution is breaking up Dynamis and have the highest population worlds (Seraph, Hali and such) sent to Primal being the smallest of the big three NA datacenters and the rest split between Crystal and Aether. But we also have to contend with the ongoing sore spot that is the spaghetti code so this isn't the most ideal solution if it is true that adding more worlds to a data center would cause issues.
My other proposal is reshuffling the worlds so that the population is redistributed. I suggest taking one or two of the most populated worlds of the big three data centers and sending them to Dynamis and replace them with the lowest population worlds like Aether getting Cuchulainn and Golem for example. This would provide much needed redistribution and the low population worlds that were on Dynamis sent to the other datacenters would provide much needed housing plots and still have a healthy population from those larger datacenters.
Aether being the largest NA datacenter should get the lowest population worlds from Dynamis followed by Crystal and finally to Primal in that order based on the population size of the worlds from Dynamis. Then force the demolition of the submarine shacks so that there would be more plots freed up for FC's and people moving to the former Dynamis worlds that were sent to the other NA datacenters. Limit the plots to one personal and one FC plot per world and give 45 days to choose and demolish the rest for a full refund of the plot's worth for those that have multiple FC plots in the same world. The game would choose randomly and demolish if those that own multiple personal and FC plots in the same world don't.
05-12-2025, 03:32 PM
VeyaAkemi
While I don't disagree with the idea, you need to understand how nuclearly unpopular such thing would be.
So I say we go through with it, it will be funny! And it's not like it can negatively impact me since I am already in Dynamis!
05-12-2025, 04:28 PM
Supersnow845
You won’t fix dynamis by scrambling the NA servers because the problem is as much people migrating TOWARDS aether as it is people migrating away from dynamis
The only way to fix it in any capacity is to have cross region PF, so there is no downside to actually staying on dynamis if you want to stay on dynamis. If that happens first and dynamis is still uniquely dead (but not dealing with materia’s problems) then a shuffle might be in order where nobody is negatively affected by a shuffle
But as it stands right now shuffling the servers unfairly punishes aether residents for a problem that’s not their fault
05-12-2025, 04:32 PM
Jeeqbit
It's a solution that would work because Crystal proved that.
But it's also problematic because many people will immediately just transfer back to Aether, Crystal or Primal.
They will feel upset at being forced to leave their FC behind which is restricted to their world/DC.
In many cases there are DC-specific communities for hunts, raids and other activities, forcing them to choose between that or their homeworld they have been on for years with their FC.
The situation is better now because we have DC travel, but traveling is just annoying because you have to logout, and SE forces you to go through the launcher and 2FA all over again if you have been logged in for only a few days. That makes traveling even more annoying, even if you can handle the hurdle of logging out and waiting at the start screen for a while and losing communication with your home DC.
05-12-2025, 04:50 PM
Nero-Voidstails
the better solution would be to remove dynamis and and the server to the other DC
05-12-2025, 06:14 PM
brinn12
Without cross-DC PF, this would punish Aether raiders for no reason, and benefit the people who decided to transfer despite knowing the new DC would have very few people.
05-12-2025, 06:48 PM
Aidorouge
They did something like this before in order to make Crystal and apparently a LOT of people HATED it, as most of them felt like they were forced to pay up if they wanted to go back to Aether or Primal, only now we'd also have people from Crystal also stuck paying or staying and I don't imagine they would stay.
The only way I could see it maybe going over better is if everyone that ended up affected was given a free transfer/full house refund to return to a world on their original data center, but that still runs into the issue of people being forced to leave friends/FCs/houses behind on their original world to begin with, or how we could still up with Dynamis being low population/dead after all the transfers settled because nobody wants to be there regardless of which worlds it has because people want to be on THE data centers for raiding/PVP/RP and none of those community labels apply to Dynamis.
And I'm honestly not putting any stock into this cross-data center PF/DF happening at all. This is the same company that remains stumped on how to make hats work on two of their races even after half a decade of them being around, expecting them to figure out the logistics and coding required to let us all play together is definitely some "spit in one hand and wish in the other" levels of hope.
Unfortunately as mentioned, even a server merge for Dynamis being added to Aether/Primal/Crystal might be faced with impossible technical issues, and it would probably suck for the few people who managed to make friends across that data center if they all got split up or simply didn't like whichever data center they ended up on. I wouldn't get much value from being sent to Crystal for example because I don't RP, so that's one person already potentially bailing on a former Dynamis world depending on where it ends up. (Merge or shuffle.)
It feels like every possible solution either has immediate downsides, may not be feasible, or it requires us to wait for a function that may take several more years to implement if it ever materializes at all.
05-12-2025, 09:39 PM
Nebelheim
I wouldn't want to possibly have my server be swapped with a dynamis server to help populate dynamis all it will do is make me transfer back to primal and upset a bunch of other people who don't want to have to datacenter travel to have to get stuff done. And all it will do is make people want to transfer back to the datacenter they were forced to leave similar to the previous shuffle to make crystal.
05-12-2025, 09:41 PM
Ardeth
The fundamental issue that caused Dynamis to be dead would still exist. You wouldn't fix the problem. You'd only create a new one.
And realistically they aren't going to add us to Aether so unless it magically comes with cross-DC PF/DF it's still going to keep Aether locked up. And even if you fixed all of that would any given player want to play on a mega server? I wouldn't. I don't like what DC Travel has done to the game and opening it up completely would kill what speck of community you have left on any given server save the RP ones and Aether. And it still wouldn't fix the problem as Aether would still exist as a shining example of players shooting their feet off to get rid of a hang nail.
And at the end of the day once those walls are gone it's just World of Warcraft at that point. Cross server guilds and cross server everything and you slowly become a tool instead of a person. Yippee! I can't wait.../s
05-12-2025, 10:03 PM
SophiaDL
Hell no.
/10char
05-12-2025, 10:35 PM
Khryseis_Astra
I think the first idea would be the more palatable one… adding Dynamis worlds to each of the larger three to even them out. That way no one who’s already on the larger DCs would have to move, and anyone currently on Dynamis would be getting the benefits of being on an active server. And people might be more willing to transfer to those worlds for housing, now that they would be part of a more active DC. I’m sure people would still be annoyed no matter what, but that seems like the best way to benefit the most amount of people.
I don’t know the logistics involved, but it sounds like a cross-DC PF, while it would be great, would take a long time for them to implement. And Cosmic Exploration has already shown how punishing the low population can be for world-based content.
05-12-2025, 10:40 PM
Supersnow845
Aether is coming apart at the seams as it is, it couldn’t handle more serversQuote:
Originally Posted by Khryseis_Astra
I think the first idea would be the more palatable one… adding Dynamis worlds to each of the larger three to even them out. That way no one who’s already on the larger DCs would have to move, and anyone currently on Dynamis would be getting the benefits of being on an active server. And people might be more willing to transfer to those worlds for housing, now that they would be part of a more active DC. I’m sure people would still be annoyed no matter what, but that seems like the best way to benefit the most amount of people.
I don’t know the logistics involved, but it sounds like a cross-DC PF, while it would be great, would take a long time for them to implement. And Cosmic Exploration has already shown how punishing the low population can be for world-based content.
05-12-2025, 11:03 PM
SophiaDL
allegedly*Quote:
Originally Posted by Supersnow845
Aether is coming apart at the seams as it is, it couldn’t handle more servers
This is very much false information, the servers were fine before they decided to pretend congestion was a thing. We lost 1/3 of the population since DT, and somehow the congestion has only gone up, weird how back when the game was at its peak with the WoW Exodus, barely any servers were ever congested aside from some very specific peak time hours.
Any DC can handle more servers, there is nothing wrong with the servers, it's only SE pretending that the game is booming with players while it isnt.
05-12-2025, 11:15 PM
Supersnow845
Aether is basically immune to falling population because all of NA basically concentrates on aether because of travel. During the WOW peak you couldn’t leave your data centre so aether’s population was aether, now it’s all of NA. Especially since as the population fades (if it’s still fading) people migrate onto the busier servers to retain community which further chokes aetherQuote:
Originally Posted by SophiaDL
allegedly*
This is very much false information, the servers were fine before they decided to pretend congestion was a thing. We lost 1/3 of the population since DT, and somehow the congestion has only gone up, weird how back when the game was at its peak with the WoW Exodus, barely any servers were ever congested aside from some very specific peak time hours.
Any DC can handle more servers, there is nothing wrong with the servers, only SE pretending that the game is booming with players while it isnt.
The population as a whole is down but I wouldn’t be surprised if DT as a whole is the busiest aether has ever been, and that’s nothing to do with squares weird congestion rules
05-12-2025, 11:53 PM
PaulusHamsteru
Just break up Dynamis and move their servers to different DCs.
05-13-2025, 12:21 AM
BunnyBrat
If dynamis people stayed on dynamis this wouldn't be a problem.
05-13-2025, 03:04 AM
Estguard
The proper and correct thing to do. Would be take all of Dynamis's servers. And add them to the other data centres. That or remove world DC travel. Not this. Yoshi was already considering removing data centre travel pre-DT.
https://youtu.be/6PIxQPKBf0E?si=D9Lm9BUH0dWwQ5bn&t=1420 which was posted here.
05-13-2025, 03:24 AM
Jeeqbit
That can't be done and here's why. JP data centers used to have more than 8 worlds, and the performed worse than the ones with 8. The have found that 8 server is optimal per data center, and that any more causes problems that other data centers do not have.Quote:
Originally Posted by Estguard
The proper and correct thing to do. Would be take all of Dynamis's servers. And add them to the other data centres.
They also reached a point in the past where this very thing caused them to need to Aether and Primal into a new data center called Crystal. Again, they felt adding more worlds to Aether/Primal would not increase capacity at all given all the worlds on a data center are linked up in certain ways, and instead the solution was a new data center as opposed to a new world.
05-13-2025, 04:44 AM
Ardeth
My problem with the interview is it missing the point from a casual standpoint. Sure everyone is on Aether and if you made a rotating raid buff to get people onto different DCs when it's not Dynmais, Dynmais is still dead. Having Aether be the goto effects more than the high-end. You can't fill things like Alliance raid or pvp all because your server is dead. So imagine if Dynamis gets to be the server for it. Ok cool, but are those people going to do other things? Or are they only going to raid? Because knowing Aether is the goto server is a better catch-all than Dynamis is good this patch then Primal then Crystal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Estguard
The proper and correct thing to do. Would be take all of Dynamis's servers. And add them to the other data centres. That or remove world DC travel. Not this. Yoshi was already considering removing data centre travel pre-DT.
https://youtu.be/6PIxQPKBf0E?si=D9Lm9BUH0dWwQ5bn&t=1420 which was posted here.
It just seems moronic. And when Aether was full because of login queues we(Dynamis) got the leftover Aether players and at least from a casual standpoint, it was awful. A bunch of silent elitists only speaking to critique with no reason to be social at all. It was honestly one of the worst times to play the game. And that would be the game every Dynamis rotation.
I know that was only one solution, but that's the issue with it. If that makes any sense.
The true fix is even worse for the community, but it's what is going to have to happen. That or he has the balls to shut it off and keep Aether locked forever. I'd respect him for that. Force people to play together and grow their communities. Instead of turning mine into the McDonald's bathroom for however many weeks. But that's pie in the sky.
Even when we had the ranked pvp queue you still couldn't queue for Frontlines. So even that proved how useless it was to do as well.
05-13-2025, 05:05 AM
Rein_eon_Osborne
DC travel being implemented without region-wide PF/DF ready was a mistake.
05-13-2025, 07:20 AM
Aidorouge
Yeah, I don't think the congestion is happening because the population overall is booming, but rather its because all the population keeps funneling into Aether. If Square-Enix really wanted to lie to people about how "full" the game is, they would be making ALL of the data centers aside from Dynamis look congested, instead its ONLY Aether and Balmung specifically, which Balmung already was a big fish even before it got broken off into Crystal, and it likewise gets bombarded by people trying to travel to it for, uh, "reasons".Quote:
Originally Posted by Supersnow845
Aether is basically immune to falling population because all of NA basically concentrates on aether because of travel. During the WOW peak you couldn’t leave your data centre so aether’s population was aether, now it’s all of NA. Especially since as the population fades (if it’s still fading) people migrate onto the busier servers to retain community which further chokes aether
The population as a whole is down but I wouldn’t be surprised if DT as a whole is the busiest aether has ever been, and that’s nothing to do with squares weird congestion rules
Hell, isn't that why the data center listing is randomized now? Because Adamantoise and Balmung were struggling further because most people clicked them first by default when traveling to Aether and Crystal?
+++Shutting off Aether for good would likely just cause people to travel to Primal or Crystal instead, I know that's what I was doing any time I found the door locked, and I'm probably not the only one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ardeth
The true fix is even worse for the community, but it's what is going to have to happen. That or he has the balls to shut it off and keep Aether locked forever. I'd respect him for that. Force people to play together and grow their communities. Instead of turning mine into the McDonald's bathroom for however many weeks. But that's pie in the sky.
And they tried forcing Dynamis players to play on Dynamis, but the moment the lockdown was lifted, people started flooding out. Trying to undo the ramifications of data center travel with congestion and lockdowns only seems to be making the issue worst. I suppose someone could argue that data center travel never should have happened at all, but then Dynamis would probably be even worse than it is now.
It's hard enough coaxing people over here with houses and the promise of being able to still travel to find others, now trying getting those same people to move while telling them they're trapped here. There's already a lot of new players as well that get stranded in the MSQ trying to get Crystal Tower cleared (even unsync), and I can only hope they DC traveled instead of quitting because of it.
05-13-2025, 07:26 AM
Catwho
The reason I do not think they will do this is because during launches, the other three data centers approach or hit their instance caps (read: what caused the Raubahn Ex issue) and they added the 4th data center so they would NOT immediately smack into that cap
I would much rather they devote the resources to cross data center Party Finder, and treat the four data instance servers like a load balancer. The party was formed on Aether DC, people from any data center can join, but the instance load balance drops the group on the Dynamis DC instance server until the raid is over. They clear or time out, and the next time they go in, the instance server is load balanced over to Primal. Etc.
The entire process remains invisible to the ender user, but this solve BOTH problems in one swoop: Dynamis ain't dead because people can join whatever party they want, and the instance caps aren't a problem on any one DC.
05-13-2025, 07:42 AM
Jaltaer
What they should do is start implementing actual restrictions on Travelers - stop letting them make PFs on other DCs (or at least public PFs), or queue for DF unless they're in a party where the lead is a local. If the main complaint against removing DC travel is "but I want to play with my friends" then surely those restrictions shouldn't be a problem, since you'd have a local friend that can queue you/make a PF.
05-13-2025, 08:23 AM
CCheshire
TBH, I always figured most of Dynamis liked being on the DC either for housing or "small town" feelings, like up until 7.2, Aether was open for paid transfers along with Crystal and Primal worlds.
I'd be pretty unhappy if they reshuffled the worlds and I was moved out unless they had free transfers like last time, like, oh, but I wanted to be in Aether for a reason, along with my FC and house.
05-13-2025, 02:46 PM
Thaciscokidd
The only problem with this is that you're just gonna see people selling spots for PF/DF in linkshells/discord. If they're gonna restrict they need to go all or nothing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jaltaer
What they should do is start implementing actual restrictions on Travelers - stop letting them make PFs on other DCs (or at least public PFs), or queue for DF unless they're in a party where the lead is a local. If the main complaint against removing DC travel is "but I want to play with my friends" then surely those restrictions shouldn't be a problem, since you'd have a local friend that can queue you/make a PF.
05-13-2025, 05:28 PM
TaleraRistain
They took worlds away from Aether and Primal to make Crystal and it was MASSIVELY unpopular. That's more than likely why they decided to make Dynamis completely new.
Also maybe not a good idea to add servers. Aether used to have more and we were very unstable. They seem to think 8 works best.
05-14-2025, 12:33 AM
Andanie
No. And I'm fully on Dynamis (even on this guy) and I fully do not like this idea.
Take a data center like Crystal where there are plenty of roleplay venues (like real rp) and community interaction. Imagine if you're on Zalera thinking it's a chill server connected (mostly) to the rest of the rp community and suddenly you're on Dynamis? Not willing moved- your server was shuffled
THis isn't even counting all the ways this could hurt Primal and Aether statics.
It's not an actual solution it's just going to make people angry and cause more problems.
05-14-2025, 02:50 AM
Derio
I agree with others. The only real solution is a cross region PF. To where you can play with anyone from NA.
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